Comments on: Liberal View http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:57:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chase http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-292 Chase Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:25:21 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-292 I applaud Mr. Thayer for his incredibly clever and well written rebuttle however I still fail to understand the true connection other than you are overly idealistic, naive, and foolish. My comments regarding PHS are very specific in that this school accepts mediocrity far to often, and squanders its students talents. Yours are clever wordplays that create a veil of an aruguement. Regarding the topic of war... The goals are refer to include removing a tyrannical Anti-American dictator (one of many). Creating a strong Mid-Eastern presence to aid both our Isralei allies and to help monitior terrorist actions against NATO forces. Your comment to "Military Might" Is juvenile and offers no true counter argument with what you have presented. Regardless of what "ideals" you hold history has taught that military might protects peoples, liberates nations, and defends ways of life. I also made the greatest point however in that the true power comes from those who make the decision to use war. Regarding aid from war- Look up the following... Marshall Plan Rebuild of Japan West Germany Isreal Aid You will find that after and during every American conflict we have spent Billions in rebuilding the peoples way of lives. By removing the threats their former goverments poised to us, our allies, and their own people. As for your question to pull our aid into Education I wholeheartedly and adamantly support. I truly wish we could however I am not that naive. I agree that we must spend less on useless goverment projects (Social Security, Welfare, etc.) and should greatly increase spending on Education. You kill poverty with strong education not with homeless shelters. War is awful, I have friends who did not come home... Its not something I want us to ever have to do, but it is simply the way this world works. Dont give me any crap about "Its only that way cuz of people like you!" either. It is a sad day everytime we must fight. My quote from Plato is not one of a warmonger either, It speaks on the readiness of a Nation will insure peace far beyond any attempt to make peace the constant. Ask yourself the question. "Is war the interlude to peace? Or is peace the interlude to War?" You never responded to any of my mentions of what War has accomplished care to explain? How did Nazi Germany fall? Imperial Japan? The Confederate States? Take alook also at Thomas Briggs article for your proof of a military reason to the current Iraq War by the way... Your writing is clever however your logic is faulty. And you demean yourself and your writing with unnecessary drivel like your intro. You want to have further discussion heres my email howler1991@comcast.net I applaud Mr. Thayer for his incredibly clever and well written rebuttle however I still fail to understand the true connection other than you are overly idealistic, naive, and foolish. My comments regarding PHS are very specific in that this school accepts mediocrity far to often, and squanders its students talents. Yours are clever wordplays that create a veil of an aruguement.
Regarding the topic of war…
The goals are refer to include removing a tyrannical Anti-American dictator (one of many).
Creating a strong Mid-Eastern presence to aid both our Isralei allies and to help monitior terrorist actions against NATO forces.
Your comment to “Military Might” Is juvenile and offers no true counter argument with what you have presented.
Regardless of what “ideals” you hold history has taught that military might protects peoples, liberates nations, and defends ways of life. I also made the greatest point however in that the true power comes from those who make the decision to use war.
Regarding aid from war-
Look up the following…
Marshall Plan
Rebuild of Japan
West Germany
Isreal Aid
You will find that after and during every American conflict we have spent Billions in rebuilding the peoples way of lives. By removing the threats their former goverments poised to us, our allies, and their own people.
As for your question to pull our aid into Education I wholeheartedly and adamantly support. I truly wish we could however I am not that naive. I agree that we must spend less on useless goverment projects (Social Security, Welfare, etc.) and should greatly increase spending on Education. You kill poverty with strong education not with homeless shelters.
War is awful, I have friends who did not come home… Its not something I want us to ever have to do, but it is simply the way this world works. Dont give me any crap about “Its only that way cuz of people like you!” either. It is a sad day everytime we must fight. My quote from Plato is not one of a warmonger either, It speaks on the readiness of a Nation will insure peace far beyond any attempt to make peace the constant. Ask yourself the question. “Is war the interlude to peace? Or is peace the interlude to War?”
You never responded to any of my mentions of what War has accomplished care to explain? How did Nazi Germany fall? Imperial Japan? The Confederate States? Take alook also at Thomas Briggs article for your proof of a military reason to the current Iraq War by the way…
Your writing is clever however your logic is faulty. And you demean yourself and your writing with unnecessary drivel like your intro.
You want to have further discussion heres my email howler1991@comcast.net

]]> By: Chase McAllister http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Chase McAllister Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:41:18 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-273 " If one wishes for peace, he must prepare for war." Plato- War is a necessary evil that must be accepted at times to achieve certain goals. If you feel war solves nothing explain to me why your an American not a Britain. Why you speak English instead of German or Japanese. How millions of slaves gained freedom. How millions world wide receive aid and support. Military might is what has given us the lifestyles we live. Power grows from the barrel of a gun. The crucial part is leadership if when to use it. ” If one wishes for peace, he must prepare for war.”
Plato-
War is a necessary evil that must be accepted at times to achieve certain goals. If you feel war solves nothing explain to me why your an American not a Britain. Why you speak English instead of German or Japanese. How millions of slaves gained freedom. How millions world wide receive aid and support. Military might is what has given us the lifestyles we live. Power grows from the barrel of a gun. The crucial part is leadership if when to use it.

]]> By: Thomas Briggs http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-188 Thomas Briggs Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:26:12 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-188 First of all, did you ever hear about the 500 tons of "yellow cake" uranium we found in Iraq last summer? (FYI, "Yellow Cake" uranium has no peaceful purpose and can only be used to develop nuclear weapons). That alone justifies the entire war, not to mention the humanitarian goals of stopping the genocide of the Kurds, removing an oppressing dictator, and giving the people the freedom to even show their face in public that they did not have before. These humanitarian goals do seem to be what most people on your side of the political spectrum want us to do in places like Darfur, Cambodia, and Serbia. The problem with our cost of life in Iraq is that it is so low, that the press looks at every single one as a tragedy, instead of a statistic like in wars past with triple the amount we have lost over 5 years dead in a matter of hours. Though each life lost is a sad thing, it should not be a deterrent to our overall goal. The cost of money is an investment in a country that in ten years, if we stay and nurture their democracy, could be as fierce of an ally as Israel. In a recent poll, 72% of Iraqis have a positive opinion of the United States. This percentage has been growing steadily since late 2006, when only 30% had a positive opinion. Under our watchful eye, Iraq really has adjusted to democracy and fights their own fights. Our presence has a tremendous morale boost to their security forces. Though we can reduce the number of troops on the ground, we cannot abandon our allies in their current state. @Justin: What America did to Russia in the '80s? We were able to fund our arms build-up, they were not. The lack of funds collapsed the Soviet government from within and they split into several sovereign nations. We defeated our most powerful enemy we have ever faced with our economy. I fail to see the point you were trying to make here, or even which side you were taking. First of all, did you ever hear about the 500 tons of “yellow cake” uranium we found in Iraq last summer? (FYI, “Yellow Cake” uranium has no peaceful purpose and can only be used to develop nuclear weapons). That alone justifies the entire war, not to mention the humanitarian goals of stopping the genocide of the Kurds, removing an oppressing dictator, and giving the people the freedom to even show their face in public that they did not have before. These humanitarian goals do seem to be what most people on your side of the political spectrum want us to do in places like Darfur, Cambodia, and Serbia.
The problem with our cost of life in Iraq is that it is so low, that the press looks at every single one as a tragedy, instead of a statistic like in wars past with triple the amount we have lost over 5 years dead in a matter of hours. Though each life lost is a sad thing, it should not be a deterrent to our overall goal. The cost of money is an investment in a country that in ten years, if we stay and nurture their democracy, could be as fierce of an ally as Israel. In a recent poll, 72% of Iraqis have a positive opinion of the United States. This percentage has been growing steadily since late 2006, when only 30% had a positive opinion. Under our watchful eye, Iraq really has adjusted to democracy and fights their own fights. Our presence has a tremendous morale boost to their security forces. Though we can reduce the number of troops on the ground, we cannot abandon our allies in their current state.

@Justin: What America did to Russia in the ’80s? We were able to fund our arms build-up, they were not. The lack of funds collapsed the Soviet government from within and they split into several sovereign nations. We defeated our most powerful enemy we have ever faced with our economy. I fail to see the point you were trying to make here, or even which side you were taking.

]]> By: ThayerJ http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-61 ThayerJ Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:03:40 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-61 Justin, can you please elaborate on your comment? I don't understand what you have typed. Justin, can you please elaborate on your comment? I don’t understand what you have typed.

]]> By: Justin http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Justin Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:31:31 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-58 If you have a problem calling those evil that seek to, "do to America what they did to Russia in the 80's" at any cost, I have a problem with your humanity. If you have a problem calling those evil that seek to, “do to America what they did to Russia in the 80’s” at any cost, I have a problem with your humanity.

]]> By: FYI http://www.wolfpackpress.org/viewpoints/liberal-view/comment-page-1/#comment-25 FYI Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:14:58 +0000 http://www.wolfpackpress.org/?p=47#comment-25 Quoting sources that support your own view do not make for a very convincing argument. If you really want to back up your opinion, state facts. Someone else's opinion, even if it is a presidential candidate, doesn't prove anything. Nice analogy with "Sara"--made for an attention-getting intro. One more thing: You don't feel that the loss of lives is worth it. But clearly the soldiers who are fighting do, so more power to them. Quoting sources that support your own view do not make for a very convincing argument. If you really want to back up your opinion, state facts. Someone else’s opinion, even if it is a presidential candidate, doesn’t prove anything.
Nice analogy with “Sara”–made for an attention-getting intro.
One more thing: You don’t feel that the loss of lives is worth it. But clearly the soldiers who are fighting do, so more power to them.

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